I was just looking around in the Ghost Depot site (http\ghostdepot.com) and came across a picture of Southern Pacific 4-8-4 #700 in the section under "Other Railroads." It looks remarkably like S.P. & S. #700 and they are both Baldwins. Were they constructed to the same general plan?

kenneth.willis@marad.dot.gov

There is no such engine as Southern Pacific 4-8-4 #700. It looks like SP&S #700 because it is. Someone evidently got confused or didn't type the "&S".

> I was just looking around in the Ghost Depot
> site (http\ghostdepot.com) and came across
> a picture of Southern Pacific 4-8-4 #700 in
> the section under "Other
> Railroads." It looks remarkably like
> S.P. & S. #700 and they are both
> Baldwins. Were they constructed to the same
> general plan?


steameng@att.net

That's what I was expecting too, until I saw the photo. The engine is clearly lettered "Southern Pacific" on the tender and "700" on the cab. But apart from having the same wheel arangement, the same number, and a few road name initials in common, it is a distinctly different engine from the SP&S 700.

> There is no such engine as Southern Pacific
> 4-8-4 #700. It looks like SP&S #700
> because it is. Someone evidently got
> confused or didn't type the
> "&S".



rjenkins@railfan.net

> That's what I was expecting too, until I saw
> the photo. The engine is clearly lettered
> "Southern Pacific" on the tender
> and "700" on the cab. But apart
> from having the same wheel arangement, the
> same number, and a few road name initials in
> common, it is a distinctly different engine
> from the SP&S 700.

The SP #700 was an early '30's Baldwin product, circa 1931. I believe this locomotive went to Texas. The SP&S 700 is a '38 Baldwin. They do have a builder's family resemblance, however, the give away is in the size of the firebox. The NP design (SP&S 700) is considerably larger than its SP distant cousin.


http://www.sps700.org

johnpcox@juno.com

> The SP #700 was an early '30's Baldwin
> product, circa 1931. I believe this
> locomotive went to Texas. The SP&S 700
> is a '38 Baldwin. They do have a builder's
> family resemblance, however, the give away
> is in the size of the firebox. The NP design
> (SP&S 700) is considerably larger than
> its SP distant cousin.

Other major differences are the tender, the 2nd axle of the trailing truck (the NP design had 45" wheels to allow for a booster, the SP did not), the air reservoir (the NP design has the reservoir cast in the frame), and the SP&S 700 has BoxPok drivers. These drivers are obviously smaller than the SP&S 700's, probably 73" versus 77's. The sandbox lines are also different.
Many differences.


http://www.sps700.org

johnpcox@juno.com

I have to ask, what color is the boiler jacket? Was this color used only for the builders photo?

smokebox1@home.com

> Other major differences are the tender, the
> 2nd axle of the trailing truck (the NP
> design had 45" wheels to allow for a
> booster, the SP did not), the air reservoir
> (the NP design has the reservoir cast in the
> frame), and the SP&S 700 has BoxPok
> drivers. These drivers are obviously smaller
> than the SP&S 700's, probably 73"
> versus 77's. The sandbox lines are also
> different.
> Many differences.
SP 700 was a GS-1 , one of 4 that were assigned to the T&NO. It was later transfered to the Pacific Lines in the early 1950's and given the number 4470.

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